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Old 07-14-2009, 10:13 PM
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I am a professional athlete and I have been diagnosed with severe tendonosis in my quad tendon right above my knee. I have gotten two prp (platelet rich plasma) injections which are proven to work very well but I am working against the clock considering I have to be ready by the end of august to satisfy my contract. My last prp injection was one week ago and protocal says do absolutely nothing for two weeks. Can you tell me if the super cissus product will help me? I have about 5 weeks to get completely ready for the season and I am still feeling handicapped. If you think its something that can help me can you tell me why. My quad tendon is deteriorated and has calcification. I am reallly looking forward to relief but I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Would love a quick response with as much appropriate info as possible. Thanks in advance,
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:29 PM
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that's a horrid issue to have man..
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Tendonosis is characterized by degeneration of the collagen fibers in the tendon (the fibers that provide the tensile strength), tendon weakness, abnormal growth of unhealthy blood vessals through the tendon, and most importantly no inflammatory cells. Basically the nice straight strong fibers of collagen become a tangled mess of strings with little pockets of "jelly" and small weak blood vessals. If you look at pictures of a healthy tendon it will be white and glistening, tendons with tendonosis are dull and brownish. Keep in mind that this is not an inflammatory process, so there is no reason for anti-inflammatories or injections.
Tendonosis is a more difficult problem to heal with only an 80% chance of resolving. Typical tendonosis can take anywhere from 8 weeks to 9 months to resolve depending on how long you have had the problem. There are quite a few treatment options out there right now but the best protocol seems to be: Relative rest, ice, friction massage, and exercise. I will go over each of these steps for you...
-Relative Rest: What this means is do NOT stop using the injured tendon - disuse leads to the tendon losing more strength - tendons need load on them to maintain and gain strength. You should decrease your activity level though, and try to avoid activities that severely irritate the problem.
-ICE: This is one of the most important parts, you need to perform ice massage on the injured area several times per day. Ice massage has a few effects - first it inhibits the production of the chemicals that cause the abnormal blood vessal formation we mentioned earlier, second it slows the nerve conduction so you are less likely to feel the pain, and finally it promotes healing. The best way to do an ice massage is to take a paper or styrofoam cup, fill it with water, and freeze it - then you can peel off enough of the cup to expose the ice while leaving yourself something to hold onto. Rub the ice over the area that is sore with moderate pressure until you go through all of the stages: Cold, burning, aching, and numb. You want the area to be numb and red - this takes 3-5 minutes usually - but be careful not to go too long and give yourself frostbite.
-Friction Massage: This is the "other" most important one... Friction massage is deep tissue massage that is performed across the fibers of the tendon with a firm pressure - it does not feel good, if usually hurts a lot. The reason we do this is to break up the fibers and promote "proper alignment"... some people speculate that it also helps to break up the "jelly" pockets... others believe that it helps to cause some inflammation in the area which "reminds" your body that there is an injury there. Over time the body seems to "ignore" tendonosis and stop attempting to heal it. To perform friction massage - first numb the area with ice massage. Next using your thumb or index finger reinforced with your middle finger and push on the tendon with a firm pressure and move from side to side across the tendon. Do this for 3-5 minutes or until your finger/thumb gets too tired. You may find that it is more sore immediately afterwards, but it will feel better after a little while.
-Exercise: Like I mentioned with "relative rest" exercise is extremely important for proper healing because loading actually increases tendon strength. The best rule of thumb for exercising an injured area is this: If it hurts after you do it, but the "new pain" goes away in less than 1 day - you did enough. If it hurts more than 1 day from something you did, then you did too much.
I post this more for informational purposes for others reading than for you, as I'm sure you know all of this..
SuperCissus -- with it's increased ability to deliver nutrients to the white tissue -- would seem to be an ideal match to aid in your recovery..it certainly couldn't hurt.
your timeframe might pose an issue tho..this can be a very lengthy issue to resolve.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:22 PM
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Thanks for the quick response....You do not seeem very confident that this is something that can help me. I know results vary upon particular athletes, but if it is something that can work for me-- is there an accelerated way to supplement the super cissus? As you know from the information you posted that this tendonosis is a pain in the ass. I do not have a problem playing with a little pain, but i cannot, however, play with the pain i have had that is weakening and takes all explosive movement from me. I have the best orthopedics in america working on me and they have shown some struggle in this with me, but the prp injections are cutting edge and have proven to be my best chance...Maybe with this super cissus it can accelerate my recovery? what do you think? do you have any experience with any of this or would you be taking a shot in the dark? I really appreciate the responses from anyone
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SuperCissus -- with it's increased ability to deliver nutrients to the white tissue -- would seem to be an ideal match to aid in your recovery..
understand, I am not a medical practitioner. I do, however, believe this would aid in your recovery..

I would dose 1 cap, 10min prior to each meal (5x daily), also 1 prior to bed, for accelerated results.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:34 PM
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thanks for your quick responses....I am going to give it a try...I dont have anything to lose..hell im sure it wont make me any worse...Ill be sure to track my progress on here for you and your team to hear.....Again, thank you for the info
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sure thing..and feedback would be great, thx.
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Whats up,
I am a professional athlete and I have been diagnosed with severe tendonosis in my quad tendon right above my knee. I have gotten two prp (platelet rich plasma) injections which are proven to work very well but I am working against the clock considering I have to be ready by the end of august to satisfy my contract. My last prp injection was one week ago and protocal says do absolutely nothing for two weeks. Can you tell me if the super cissus product will help me? I have about 5 weeks to get completely ready for the season and I am still feeling handicapped. If you think its something that can help me can you tell me why. My quad tendon is deteriorated and has calcification. I am reallly looking forward to relief but I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Would love a quick response with as much appropriate info as possible. Thanks in advance,
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I would dose 3 caps 3 times a day with food.

Cissus shines with Tendon/ligament related issues.

Have you tried Active release Theraphy along with the injections and other theraphy?
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:55 PM
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No i have not tried active release. What exactly is that? i have taken the platelet rich plasma procedure twice and thats about it besides physical therapy. Any information or tips would be greatly appreciated...thanks
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