Ineffective product

[millerlite180]

Originally Posted by F_S

There is a lot of negative feedback on USP Labs products and I'm beginning to get concerned as mixed reviews led me to trying out P-Slin myself and I haven't noticed anything...

Hey man,

Just because I want to be fair about all things and don't like to see stuff one sided.......Everything is worth a shot. You can't bash something until you tried it. At least that's how I feel. I tried Super Cissus Rx and it didn't work, plain and simple. It's good to see others that have not seen results, even if it's another product. Some things work for some people, while the same things don't work for others.

By the way, what's your ailment?

[bigmix]

Okay you have something that works for you use it Cissus has worked for quite a few people ...there is such a thing as non responders to products, foods, medecines so on so come on you know that.

[millerlite180]

Originally Posted by bigmix

Okay you have something that works for you use it Cissus has worked for quite a few people ...there is such a thing as non responders to products, foods, medecines so on so come on you know that.

Exactly! I never wanted anyone to get upset just because I said it didn't work for me.


Just how this works for you, and you want to spread the good news, I wanted to tell people that Wobenzym worked for me. No biggie, I'm just trying to give people one more thing in their arsenal against health problems.

One word of caution, if you do try enzymes, give them a few weeks to work and make sure you take a reasonable dose. I had to take 15 small tabs/day to see relief and the 2nd week symptoms got worse. This was typical according to the packaging. But by week 3 and 4, oh boy was it a lot better. It's because enzymes don't mask pain they actually speed all the phases of wound healing (inflammatory, proliferative, and remodeling).

For example, each phase of trauma go faster, sometimes 2x as fast. So you get hit with the inflammation a little harder, but a lot quicker so that you're out of that phase faster.

My injury was lingering and not really healing when I started enzymes (4 months after the initial injury/due to high dose NSAIDS slowing the healing/my doctor was an idiot who later admitted that they can do that). I also had cuts on my body that occured when i was taking the ibuprofen(3200mg/day) that were still not completely healed (3 months old). Well on day 8 of Wobenzym (actually it was the generic form: Flavenzym) the symptoms got a lot worse all of sudden, but then a week later it was very much improved. Way more than when I started the enzymes and even though it wasn't quite healed yet, the pain was gone and remained gone until it was healed. I later lowered my dose (3x3 tablets/day at the 4 week mark).

Hope this at least helps someone, even if you use it in conjunction with Cissus. I almost gave hope up because of what prescriptions did to me. You can even find that all over the internet ("NSAIDs slow healing in soft tissues"). Some of those medical articles are scary, saying that the soft tissue injury in some patients never healed after NSAID therapy because it blocked the original cascade of inflammation. If you stop the 1st phase in the process, you prolong all of the others, sometimes indefinately.

[USPlabs]

Originally Posted by millerlite180

Exactly! I never wanted anyone to get upset just because I said it didn't work for me.


Just how this works for you, and you want to spread the good news, I wanted to tell people that Wobenzym worked for me. No biggie, I'm just trying to give people one more thing in their arsenal against health problems.

One word of caution, if you do try enzymes, give them a few weeks to work and make sure you take a reasonable dose. I had to take 15 small tabs/day to see relief and the 2nd week symptoms got worse. This was typical according to the packaging. But by week 3 and 4, oh boy was it a lot better. It's because enzymes don't mask pain they actually speed all the phases of wound healing (inflammatory, proliferative, and remodeling).

For example, each phase of trauma go faster, sometimes 2x as fast. So you get hit with the inflammation a little harder, but a lot quicker so that you're out of that phase faster.

My injury was lingering and not really healing when I started enzymes (4 months after the initial injury/due to high dose NSAIDS slowing the healing/my doctor was an idiot who later admitted that they can do that). I also had cuts on my body that occured when i was taking the ibuprofen(3200mg/day) that were still not completely healed (3 months old). Well on day 8 of Wobenzym (actually it was the generic form: Flavenzym) the symptoms got a lot worse all of sudden, but then a week later it was very much improved. Way more than when I started the enzymes and even though it wasn't quite healed yet, the pain was gone and remained gone until it was healed. I later lowered my dose (3x3 tablets/day at the 4 week mark).

Hope this at least helps someone, even if you use it in conjunction with Cissus. I almost gave hope up because of what prescriptions did to me. You can even find that all over the internet ("NSAIDs slow healing in soft tissues"). Some of those medical articles are scary, saying that the soft tissue injury in some patients never healed after NSAID therapy because it blocked the original cascade of inflammation. If you stop the 1st phase in the process, you prolong all of the others, sometimes indefinately.

I urge everyone to try different theraphies, but it is terribly obvious when a person discredits a product and heavly promotes another product what his particular agenda is.

If Cissus does not work, I want the consumer to find what does work.

proteolytic are enzymes used to digest proteins. If used, the consumer should be warned to not consume with food.

If cissus did not work, Proteolytic enzymes are an option.

[USPlabs]

Originally Posted by bigmix

Okay you have something that works for you use it Cissus has worked for quite a few people ...there is such a thing as non responders to products, foods, medecines so on so come on you know that.

The exact problem I have with this particular poster.

He promotes enzymes as 100% effective which is never true for any drug or supplement.

Almost hypocritical in his posting.

I love the part that he states Herbs are not natural to the body hence do not work theory>>>funny stuff. We should just discount drug therapy and the thousands and thousands of clinical trials.

I stop listening once it turns to gibberish.

[millerlite180]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

I urge everyone to try different theraphies, but it is terribly obvious when a person discredits a product and heavly promotes another product what his particular agenda is.

If Cissus does not work, I want to consumer to find what does work.

proteolytic are enzymes used to digest proteins. If used, the consumer should be warned to not consume with food.

If cissus did not work, Proteolytic enzymes are an option.

1st off, Do not criticize me when i'm trying to help other people feel better. I would promote ascorbic acid too, if you want me to.

2nd, I don't have an agenda, other than living a long and healthful life. Whatever helps me get there, then so be it.

3rd, Your post does not make any sense grammatically.


4th, You make asinine assumptions about blood proteins and obviously get them confused with food proteins. Please do some research before you spout out sentences with no biological truth.

5th, I wasn't trying to start a fight, but obviously with a forum that has a company's own representatives making up a significant portion of the posts, I guess that can only be expected. It looks like this forum agenda is about promoting how well Cissus works. The last time I checked out what a forum means, is that it's a 2 sided discussion of a topic.

6th, The only reason I discredit Cissus is because it didn't work for me. I know that may be incomprehensible for you to understand, but it didn't. I only promote things that work for me. Like I said in my previous posts, from which you must have only gleaned the info you wanted to use and disregarded the rest, I have no reason to promote anything unless it worked for me. I've used lots of products of which I'll list now so that I'm not "promoting."

1. L-glutamine = basically worthless, unless you have some immune problems. It helps me to retain some strength when I drink a lot.

2. Ascorbic Acid = very helpful with allergies and general immune health (I take a lot spread throughout the day).

3. Magnesium Citrate = Helps me relax after stressful events/helps me breathe better during sports.

4. NOW brand ADAM multivitamin = all around good vitamin (similiar to GNC megamen).

5. Melatonin = helps me sleep when I need to get to bed at a certain time.

6. Omega 3 = take about 2 grams combined EPA/DHA for overall health and inflammation.

I am not mentioning any brands (besides the multi just so you get an idea of the strength/amounts of the vitamins in it) so that I am not promoting anything. The only reason I mentioned the brands of the systemic enzymes is because those are the only 2 that are readily available with some research behind it.

[millerlite180]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

The exact problem I have with this particular poster.

He promotes enzymes as 100% effective which is never true for any drug or supplement.

Almost hypocritical in his posting.

I love the part that he states Herbs are not natural to the body hence do not work theory>>>funny stuff. We should just discount drug therapy and the thousands and thousands of clinical trials.

I stop listening once it turns to gibberish.

Once again another asinine post. No where did I ever say that the enzymes were "100% effective." In fact, in one of my previous posts I even said that the problem wasn't completely gone, but it was a lot better after treatment with the systemic (not digestive) enzymes.


And I never said that herbs do not work. I just said that the human body does not require herbs in order to function. Life goes on without herbs, but not so without vitamins/minerals. I also stated that they can help some conditions that have already incurred. This is on a case by case basis.

You apparently never were listening from the beginning. Only seeing what you want to see. This is typical when someone wants to believe all hype. I, on the other hand, like to see results. If something does not give me results, then I discard it and look for something else that does. It's not like i wanted to be injured, so I kept looking and finally I found something.

I advise anyone who reads all of these posts to do whatever you want to do. I only offer advice so that maybe something can help someone else.

[F_S]

Originally Posted by millerlite180

Hey man,

Just because I want to be fair about all things and don't like to see stuff one sided.......Everything is worth a shot. You can't bash something until you tried it. At least that's how I feel. I tried Super Cissus Rx and it didn't work, plain and simple. It's good to see others that have not seen results, even if it's another product. Some things work for some people, while the same things don't work for others.

By the way, what's your ailment?

I did give P-Slin a chance and so far I can't attribute anything phenomenal - or even above average - to it.

I'm not using USP Cissus and have not in the past.

[snagency]

Originally Posted by F_S

I did give P-Slin a chance and so far I can't attribute anything phenomenal - or even above average - to it.

I'm not using USP Cissus and have not in the past.

how are you using the Pslin?
lay out your protocol.

[F_S]

Originally Posted by snagency

how are you using the Pslin?
lay out your protocol.

Since the P-Slin area seems to have disappeared, I'll ask here...