P-Slin and cutting diet

[oufinny]

Ok so all things are going well, last bottle of Recreate and AP are being taken right now, actually AP is going to be done in the next 2 weeks taking 1 a day (carbs are low and I save it for pre w/out meal). I am got a sick deal on P-Slin from GNC, can't pass up a sale!, and want to know about using it for my higher carb days.

Most days I am running a 50/30/20 P/C/F macro regimen, tracked by fitday.com, and it is challenging to say the least. To let you know, I am running around 2200-2500 Kcals now and will slowly bring it down if needed. I want to run P-Slin a couple times a week for my big days like back/shoulders and also legs. How should I PROPERLY use this to maximize effectiveness and get the pumps everyone rages about?

Any suggested nutrition combos would be appreciated and so you know I am an afternoon lifter so I do my pre w/out meal around 3:30-4:00 depending on the day. I have to eat at work and whatever I have can really only be heated up, making will have to be done prior. Also, I read about trying to have an 80/20 ratio of complex/simple carbs, is that right?

Any and all input is appreciated along with any further suggestions for a cutting diet.

[snagency]

nice simple preWO meal strategy:
2 scops protein, 1 cup oats, medium to large banana fronted by Pslin..
this also works well at breakfast (depending on your dietary goals and target food consumption for the day in cut modes)..
the 80/20 split on carb source is a nice guideline.

[oufinny]

Originally Posted by snagency

nice simple preWO meal strategy:
2 scops protein, 1 cup oats, medium to large banana fronted by Pslin..
this also works well at breakfast (depending on your dietary goals and target food consumption for the day in cut modes)..
the 80/20 split on carb source is a nice guideline.

Sounds great! I miss me some fruit and this will be great to handle the cravings. One question, I have ON Oats & Whey, it has about ~23 grams complex carbs, could I use 2 scoops of this and then maybe a half cup of oats just the same? Sometimes I like to vary it up from the O&W or one of my other various proteins. Thanks again for the help, should get the chance to try this out on Monday next week or if I am lucky this Friday !

[snagency]

sure, the ON product is fine.
I prefer true oats, just for texture reasons (let alone cost effectiveness), but the Oats&Whey is fine to use.

[IronWarrior]

I am with Snags on that one. To save yourself some money just get yourself another protien powder in a bulk size, and some 1 minute oats since they are ground up already they go well in shakes. Save the premixed ON Oats and Whey stuff for emergency days when you just dont have a way to make or mix the regular oats if yo still find they are too course to just mix up in a drink then put the oats dry into a blender and let it grind the oats down even further. Then you can just add 2 scoops of whey protien to 1 cup of the oats in a shaker with extra icewater and some splenda and you are good to go. However what you have will work just fine but waymore expensinve and no more effective than doing it on your own.

[oufinny]

Iron and Snag: You are right 100%! Grind oats in food processor and save a ton! I did that yesterday and am using a regular whey plus the oats for my pre-w/out now and when I add the P-Slin I will use Snags concoction listed above plus the banana. All you input is really appreciated.

On a side note, look in the mirror this morning and have to say that starting to see some definition around my upper obliques [NEVER had this even at 160 when I swam competitively] and also starting to see some of the upper abs as well. The RC and the added Lean Out by Bev. Int'l plus AP has really made a difference now that the diet is much better under control. Any further input you have about macros for cutting I would appreciate. Currently running 40/40/20, 50/30/20 and 30/50/20 to keep the metabolism guessing (P/C/F). On the higher carb days should I get my fat intake higher? Also, yesterday I was at about 320 g protein it was a 50/30/20 day, is that too much for someone that weighs in at ~215?

[snagency]

Originally Posted by oufinny

Last edited by oufinny; Today at 01:37 PM. Reason: I am retarded and hungry so I misstyped!

LOL!! hilarious..

Iron and Snag: You are right 100%! Grind oats in food processor and save a ton! I did that yesterday and am using a regular whey plus the oats for my pre-w/out now and when I add the P-Slin I will use Snags concoction listed above plus the banana. All you input is really appreciated.

On a side note, look in the mirror this morning and have to say that starting to see some definition around my upper obliques [NEVER had this even at 160 when I swam competitively] and also starting to see some of the upper abs as well. The RC and the added Lean Out by Bev. Int'l plus AP has really made a difference now that the diet is much better under control.

AWESOME to hear!
I like that threesome of supp strategy immensely.

Any further input you have about macros for cutting I would appreciate. Currently running 40/40/20, 50/30/20 and 30/50/20 to keep the metabolism guessing (P/C/F). On the higher carb days should I get my fat intake higher?

I actually lower my fat on higher carb days, and conversely raise it slightly on low-carb days; so sometimes it actually looks like 50/25/25 or 50/20/30 P/C/F.
but your strategy & splits look great my friend!

Also, yesterday I was at about 320 g protein it was a 50/30/20 day, is that too much for someone that weighs in at ~215?

not at all..some days I am above 400g protein intake at my 200lb frame.

keep us posted on your progress!

[IronWarrior]

Once again I am with snags on this one. Now if you are doing a recomp and not just weight loss leaving the grams the same on fat can help out to alternate caloric intake to have a little bit of cycaloric cycling, and the extra fat can stave off Mr. insulin if you take your fat in before the rest of the meal. Allowing AP to REALLY shine. IE 12 almonds then a shake and your carbs. Or 10-14 grams of fish or omega blend oils then your carbs. Just another idea. Looks like you are only trying to cut right now so I would stick with Snags way as it does not increase overal caloric intake for the day.

[snagency]

nice adds Iron.

[oufinny]

Originally Posted by IronWarrior

Once again I am with snags on this one. Now if you are doing a recomp and not just weight loss leaving the grams the same on fat can help out to alternate caloric intake to have a little bit of cycaloric cycling, and the extra fat can stave off Mr. insulin if you take your fat in before the rest of the meal. Allowing AP to REALLY shine. IE 12 almonds then a shake and your carbs. Or 10-14 grams of fish or omega blend oils then your carbs. Just another idea. Looks like you are only trying to cut right now so I would stick with Snags way as it does not increase overal caloric intake for the day.

Let me see if I understand, still a novice so bear with me. So grab some almonds or maybe some fish oil (can I take caps or does it have to be liquid?) and then dose my AP prior to carb meal(s)? I am on the verge now because I technically can run another bottle of AP BUT it will lead to an extensive break after I finish it due to running it past 14 weeks after the aforementioned bottle. Any further advice from the experts is ALWAYS well received.